Having a large email list is an advantage for website owners. It means having a way to connect with their audience. They can also do remarketing email campaigns to boost their revenue.
For someone new in the online business space, building an email is truly a challenge. Is there a way to get your ideal number of email subscribers without wasting time and effort?
In this episode, Matt Molen came over to the show to discuss his email marketing strategies that can help your business grow.
Matt is the CEO of Email Crush and the creator of Email on Autopilot, the premiere course for content creators that want to transform their email newsletters into their most powerful marketing tools. In addition to the course, Matt provides one-on-one consulting and personal coaching to some of the world’s top content creators.
We have discussed the struggles of content creators with building and growing their email lists. Where would you start with email marketing for content website owners and bloggers? How do you create a lead magnet with what you already have? When they are on the list, what should you email them, and how often?
We also talked about Matt’s story about how he made the same revenue per month in the travel niche during COVID. How often should they run sales campaigns compared to value emails? Is there a ratio that Matt likes to use?
Lastly, Matt shared his favorite case study.
There’s so much value in this episode, so don’t miss it. Tune in now!
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03:00 The struggles content creators have when building an email list
11:42 What is the best lead magnet to use to grow an email list?
17:31 How to treat people after they subscribe?
26:47 How many emails should you send out to subscribers?
30:46 Running email campaigns – how often should you do it?
35:25 Matt & Jaryd’s email software recommendations
37:14 Where can you find Matt?
Courses & Training
Courses & Training
➥ Matt discovered that most of clients have two big struggles in terms of building an email list. Number one is how to grow the list. They don’t know how to get subscribers. And number two is being consistent.
➥ When creating a lead magnet, the best one to use is your existing traffic, which is your best source of this growth.
➥ The best way to know how many times you should email your subscribers is to ask them.
About The Guest
Matt Molen is the CEO of Email Crush and the creator of Email on Autopilot, the premiere course for content creators that want to transform their email newsletters into their most powerful marketing tools.
In addition to the course, Matt provides one-on-one consulting & personal coaching to some of the world’s top content creators.
Personally, Matt enjoys quiet walks on the beach, has a deep rooted fear of frogs, and secretly dreams of replacing Pat Sajak.
Connect with Matt Molen
Do you want to know how to earn the same amount of ad revenue per month from your content site, but from an email list? Hi, I'm Jaryd Krause. I'm the host of the Buying Online Businesses podcast. And today I'm speaking with Matt Molen, who is the CEO of Email Crush and is the creator of Email on Autopilot. The premiere course for content creators that want to transform their email newsletter into their most powerful marketing tool. In addition to the course map, he provides one on one consulting and personal coaching to some of the world's top content creators.
Now, Matt and I specifically talk about why you need an email list for your content website. And we dive into this at the start of the podcast because it's so damn vital. Also, Matt has a really cool story how he made the same revenue per month from his ads being in a with his with his content site in the travel niche when COVID hit same amount of ad revenue from his site. But he made that revenue, same amount from his email list in the travel niche when COVID. Such a cool story. And that's a big pillar on or reason why you should have an email list for your content site, we will talk about how to create a lead magnet with what you already have. So not rethinking the wheel and not needing to create new content.
We're talking about how to create that type of lead magnet with zero barrier to entry. We'll also talk about how and what to email your list how to email them regularly, how often you should be emailing your list, how to run sales campaigns, and how often to run some sales campaigns, little tweaks and tactics that you can use to make more money from your email list with an email signature or just a little PS at the bottom.
Now, there's so much value in this podcast episode, you're absolutely going to love it. If you own a content website, you must listen to this podcast. Even if you have an email list. Listen to it. If you don't have an email list, especially listen to this implement what we talked about this is basically the roadmap on how to build an email list and make revenue from your email list at the same amount as what you're actually earning from your ad revenue on your content website. So this is such a valuable episode. Enjoy.
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Matt, welcome to the Buying Online Businesses podcast.
Matt Molen (3:03)
Hi, Jaryd, thanks for having me.
Jaryd Krause (3:05)
Looking forward to this. As you know, now I am obsessed with email marketing. There's so many people listening that are in the content space owning blogs, and they just don't happen to email or they buy a business that hasn't tapped into email. I think it's a massive shame. I drive at home a lot. And still people just don't really see the value in it. So I'm really looking forward to talking about how people can create an email list. So they don't have one or how they can grow their email list for their blog when somebody comes to you. And they say, Hey, Matt, I don't have an email list. But I want to start what's their biggest hurdle? What's their biggest challenge? They need to get past to the point where they can start an email list? Because I know that can be people might have the ideology, that's good. And we're talking about it, that's very valuable. But there might be some barriers in the way they need to knock over. What are those? Usually?
Matt Molen (3:52)
That's a great question. I know I've kind of had the same experiences as you that it's tremendously valuable. But one of the biggest challenges that people just simply don't priorities it in terms of, if you're, if you're a content creator, and you have an online business, you have 800 other things to do, you may be on the hamster wheel of content creation. And, and what I've discovered is that most people that work with me have two big struggles. Number one is how to grow the list. They don't know how to get subscribers, and we'll talk about that, I'm sure. And number two is being consistent. Because they'll have these spurts of, oh my goodness, I should send some emails or I've got a genius idea. And I want my audience to know in this, and they get caught up in the moment and they send an email, but it's not something that becomes systematic for them. So that's what I do is I help creators to grow lists big and not just with any old subscriber, we're talking about the people that you can truly serve going forward, the people that will consume your content in the future that will buy your products where you can build a brand.
But there's a couple of things I I think if I were to start anywhere it would be on why would you do this to begin with, because in this in this space, at least for people that I work with, there's a lot of people chasing us SEO. And I understand why Look, I get it, I understand where this kind of fits, the reality is that you are competing, you're with your brand, you're competing with anybody that has a laptop and a Wi Fi connection anywhere in the world. So congratulations, you happen to rank for a certain keyword right now, that could change at any time, or who knows a chat GPT might do to our businesses, or who knows if Pinterest is going to stop sending you or maybe Facebook groups might change. I mean, it's not like this stuff doesn't change every 18 months, in our business, and even more yet, yeah, so I had just a little sidebar, I've got a travel website of my own. And a lot of it has to do with cruises, we were doing great until March 2020, when all of a sudden, all traffic for cruise is just gone. I'm not saying we're going to have another global pandemic. But we've certainly had enough world events recently, to just illustrate this stuff is not a for sure thing. But because I had a big list, I was able to pivot my content. And I was I was able to make as much advertising revenue that month, as I did the previous month, because I was able to drive to different content. And only because I had a list.
Jaryd Krause (6:11)
Congratulations. That's really cool. And yet, the why is so damn important. And let's like there's so many different reasons why I think another one to add to what you just said is that people are spending so much time, money, effort and energy resources on SEO, gaining this traffic, and they might come to the site and then bounce off it, or they might read a post and then leave. Or they might read two, which is excellent if you have a great, you know, great content and great site. And then it's such a shame that you spent all of these resources trying to get people to the page, but not capture them with an email and own the email list. Whereas Google, you don't own that traffic, the traffic from your email list, you absolutely do own it. And that is really your business.
Like you said, Matt, you may have had a lot less people coming from Google looking for travel advice and help to travel because hey, how can you do that when there's a pandemic, but if they're on the email list, and they still love travel, I'm sure there was ultimate things that you could give to them in terms of products and services, that could keep that dream alive for travel, and still earn the same revenue that you did in the previous months without the organic traffic guys, that is an awesome story to think about. And an awesome example, to realise that, if you own your email list, there's so much value in there that you can earn just as much revenue from it without just organic traffic, and then have organic traffic plugged on top of that into that is phenomenal. So now I want to say well done. That's, that's really cool. I'm glad that you shared that with us.
Matt Molen (7:40)
Well, it's also what you just described, the what I feel a missed opportunity is the branding that you can do. So congratulations. If you happen to rank right now. And you're getting somebody's coming to your website, the reality is that they land on your website, they don't know you, they don't care about you, if you're having the bounce rates that you're just discussing, and those are, that's my experience, too, with my clients, then that person is often on their way. But if we're able to capture them in that moment, get them to join our list, you have the opportunity to use email marketing, to create a journey to explain why you're different to offer up the next piece of content that actually helps them along the way. And in the process. What happens? Well, they get to know you, they get to know your logo and your headshot, and they bumped around on the website, and maybe they experienced your other great content.
And pretty soon they're consuming all that you have. They're joining your memberships. They're buying your products, they're telling your friends about you and you get the private yacht, this is this is how it goes. But it's truly a branding opportunity that most content creators miss because they're caught up in the SEO Chase, the social media Chase. And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with those, I understand how that how that drives business. But these are the great thing about this. With email, you can leverage your existing content, you can share stuff you've already made. And get more out of it.
Jaryd Krause (9:01)
There is so many shiny objects and so many things to chase. Like you're saying the social media. And what I like about people you get onto your email list is they're in your ecosystem. And the branding, like you've mentioned, is so powerful because they're in your ecosystem. And they're constantly seeing what you have to say. And the more longer somebody is in your ecosystem, the more they can share content they consume, the more trust they have with you, which equals dollars in that yacht that you're talking about as well.
Matt Molen (9:35)
Well, and there's on top of that is it's a fairly intimate sort of means of communication, you have a pretty good shot. If I send you an email that if you hit reply, it's going to come back to me and you can get me the business owner or I have a pretty good shot statistically speaking of sending my message and getting in front of you. If I ask you a question and you reply, I can learn a tonne that can grow my business. I can find out why you're not by hang my products, where why you are or what it is that you're interested, when you ask me a question I can say, I never thought of that. But I'm gone create content on that. And so many people are missing out on, these are real humans on the other side that are, it's not just bytes of data here anymore. These are real humans that are consuming and giving you feedback. They're coming back time and time again, hopefully, if you're doing it right.
Jaryd Krause (10:22)
And typically, it's the most valuable feedback somebody that is on social media giving you feedback. Normally, they're just the keyboard warrior, and they don't really care about you. But somebody is on your list, they do care about you, they want to hear, they want to see your content, they want to see what you have to say, for example, I send out emails to my list quite regularly. And I treat it like social media, in the way that I will put images in their gifts in there, I'll have stories that blow people away.
Most people reply to my emails, because they are very personal stories that will LinkedIn with business examples and case studies and how they can draw inspiration from those in their own life based on like, some silly things like myself seeing sharks out in the water, or, you know, going on a trip or something crazy that happens in my life, that personal branding, when you share some vulnerabilities in a more intimate setting, a lot of people share some vulnerability on social media. But if you share it via email, which is more personal and more intimate setting, that hits home a lot more, which gained so much more trust. And that's what I found with my email is people will feel like they have to hit the Reply button, and they give you the feedback. And that feedback makes your business better in so many different aspects that makes your products and services better. So I think we've really hit the hit the mark on the why.
Matt Molen (11:41)
Probably should be.
Jaryd Krause (11:43)
So then it comes to like, Alright, cool. I need I need an email list for my content. So what what's the how do I get people on the list? And that comes to in the form of like a lead magnet? Sure. What Where do people go with that? Like? How do you direct them to create a lead magnet that or discover a lead magnet that may be best for their niche?
Matt Molen (12:05)
I'm going to share a not so secret with you today. And that is your existing traffic is your best source of this growth. What does that mean? That means that that person who's landing on your website right now who was on whatever page, it may be, however niche it may be, whatever post whatever video or article or tutorial recipe, they in that moment, they have a need and your ability to match up your freebie, your lead magnet with them in that moment. That's everything. What doesn't work, subscribe for updates. Never miss a post. Join my newsletter, they don't care, they don't care about you. They don't care about your headshot, they don't care about your logo, they don't care about any of that stuff.
But if you're able to take something that you've already got, and just position it in a way that might be of interest to them in that moment, that can work, like a charm. For example, let's say that somebody, Google's your, your prenatal workouts, obviously, what does that tell us about that person? She is likely pregnant? And is wanting to stay in shape? Or get in shape? Or feel better? Do you have a free workout that you could dangle in the form of a lead magnet? Absolutely, I'm guessing that you probably do. And if you don't, you could probably whip one up pretty quick. It's that that concept works over and over and over again, there's tonnes of different lead magnets out there. So you just have to think about what works for you. There's printable and Downloadable and checklists, there's now there's notion, basically just a list of articles in a notion template, I love something called the Quick Start Guide, which is basically three to five days of emails that uses your existing content to answer and solve a problem.
So if somebody was wanting to eat healthier and landing on some sort of healthy recipe, it might be five secrets to eating, eating better in 2023. And then I've got the opportunity to send them an email five days in a row. And my thing with that is bring them back to my website, I don't necessarily give all the content in the, in the email, the point of the email is to drive them back to content that already exists on the website. And it's just they don't, they don't take the time to try to figure out every piece of content that you have, they don't know that you have.
Jaryd Krause (14:22)
That's really cool. Like the recipe one, the recipe one recipe site is you can have your five recipes, five different healthy recipes that already you know, or four healthy recipes that are you've already got that piece of content and the fifth one might be like an affiliate deal or a to like a special dietary plan or something like that. And you can send them back with four pieces of content to your site, make ad revenue from that, and then affiliate revenue from the last email.
Matt Molen (14:52)
But yeah, and the glory of this when I when I when I teach my clients about this, what I tell them is, here's we're going to make one and we're going to make one Fast, we're going to go fast break stuff. And the challenge is you cannot create new content for this. What is the lead magnet that we can make where you already have that content? And it's always there, they always have it. And maybe it's a matter of pulling this one together and this one together. But the point is a quick email that says, Hi, Matt, welcome to five days of being as awesome as Jaryd, the most important thing for being as awesome as jurors have cool hair, here are my five secrets to Gerrits hair, click right, you already have that content. It's alright. I'm sure that that exists on the website. And but for them, it was just positioned in a way that is valuable, because I guess I like this. I like this explanation. Because I guess most people, when they come to it to create a lead magnet have that roadblock of oh, I need to create content, what does it look like? And that's going to take some time.
Let's put this now on the back burner. Is that why that you got exactly why? Yeah, that's the there's two main reasons that I love this concept, this quick start guide. Number one, you already have the content. So it takes away the oh, I've got to go hire somebody to make an eBook, or a printable or something which nobody wants those anyway. I mean, you glance at them, you'll look at them, you discard them, very few people are truly consuming everything that's in that PDF that you worked so hard to create. So a series of emails is right there, you already have the email platform and the Programme. And number two, it's actually gives you permission to be in their inbox for three to five days or however many days in a row. Super powerful for branding purposes.
Remember, they found you through a Google search, a Pinterest search, something went viral on Twitter, whatever they don't, they just still don't know you over the course of three to five days in a row, boom. Now they're starting to get to know you. And, and for me the core of that this is not a welcome series, Jaryd, this is not Hi, I'm Matt. And I used to do this. And now I do this and I'm subject matter expert, and. It’s not that what this is, is I know that you're probably thinking about this, here's the answer. Day two, I know you're now probably thinking about this. Here's the answer. In so doing that's better than any welcomes email, because by serving them, I become the de facto subject matter expert in the process.
Jaryd Krause (17:07)
I like it. Because you haven't been through where they're their journey, you understand that journey. And you're telling them like, I know where you're at, here's what you need. Like, it's not about me and my hair. It's more about where you're at and what you need, and how I can give you that best. So you don't get hung up on your hung journey to your weight loss, or whatever it is. That's right. Yeah, I like it. We've already, we've already discussed the what type of or how you can get ideology for the type of email capture and lead magnet, what the lead magnet can be in terms of content that you've already got. From there. They've joined the list. You've built a bit of brand and trust with them, they've gone through your five-day series. What's happens from there with your email list? Is it send them an email once a week, once a month? Do they go through a different campaign? How do you treat people once they're past that? Just got your lead magnet?
Matt Molen (18:05)
I love this question. This is where a lot of people get hung up. And it is simpler than you think. First of all, a couple of core principles that I not just believe in strongly I've seen happen time and time again. Number one, you can email more often than you think now it depends on your niche depends on your subject matter. But if you are solving a problem for somebody, it is not spam. Of obviously there is a threshold of where fatigue hits in your will set in right you. But the main point is most people on the side of once a month or but I don't want to annoy them. But the point of having a list is to serve them.
Yes. We all forget, if it's not right in front of us, we forget about the subject matter expert that helped us a while ago. And so staying top of mind is important. Number two, principle number two, this is where a lot of people get hung up on the they think that they either need to have exclusive content for their newsletter, like I got to create something new, or it's all about what's new. The reality is it's all new to them. This is where we come back to repurposing your existing content, you do not have to reinvent the wheel.
So there's two different types of content that I sent. There are seasonal, and evergreen. Let's talk about evergreen. First. I didn't invent the concept of some sort of nurture sequence. All right. What I do however, is I take this sequence and I've coined it a forever series. I work with my clients and we get your best stuff and we put it in an order that makes sense. Evergreen, okay, so let's say that you have a website about Disney Cruise. All right. You have your lead magnet there on the list. There is stuff that should come first, Disney Cruise Tips what to pack what happens on the private island how to avoid getting seasick. Later on down the line. You might say here is the optimal playlists or so here's trip insurance that's down the line. What does that person is learning about Disney cruise up front, and they always need it, it's always the same? This is true for every niche for food for woodworking, it doesn't matter, there's always an order of content that you can provide that makes sense, we can deliver that one email per week if you want, or multiple emails per week, so that they get that stuff.
And the glory of this is that you write it one time, you drop it into an automation, and you keep adding to it. And that's called a forever series. There are seasonal things, the best time science has shown to share Christmas cookie recipes is in fact, at Christmas time. So but do I have to at Christmas share my newest Christmas cookie, when I've got the one that I made 10 years ago that is killing it every single year. And it's the one that my mother in law raves about, right? Share that stuff. So we've got evergreen, we've got seasonal, but we're the What's New thing needs to go, that paradigm is about us. And it's not about them.
Jaryd Krause (21:04)
That is huge for people listening. Because the new thing is where people get hung up, right? It's the same thing that you are talking about with a lead magnet, you need to create a new lead magnet that you need to create new content for, you're going to get hung up there if you need to create new emails for new content that you don't have to create that can slow you down and get in the way. Right? So I guess as a suggestion, would you say people that have a content site that have put people through a lead magnet, give them the top five things through five days of emails that they need. And then once they're through there in terms of maybe evergreen, have them go through a sequence or send them the top articles that people that are starting out in that space or going through this journey on like things to be aware of, or things that you may need to know, I think that's a great idea, you already have articles that are already on your site?
Matt Molen (22:01)
I mean, I think that's a very reasonable place to start you and makes you take what you know about that person who came in through your lead magnet, which that's the glory of a lead magnet is they raised their hand and said, I have this issue or I have this problem, or I want help with this. Why not create continue the journey beyond the lead magnet as long as you can. And what I found is that we'll just sit with my clients. And I'll just say, Okay, what are the first one of the next five things that you would tell them forget about what Google says is popular? Forget about what you rank for, let's just talk about what you know, well, I know they need to do this. And then I know you're going to need this, I'm going to need it. Because you may be out ranked on it by other sites and other things for those things.
But you your content is still super valuable to that person. So deliver that in that order. And then once you start with five go, but what six, what was seven, and until you get to the point where it's all equal in that point, you just start locking them in, what happens if you come up with something new? That's the blockbuster thing? Well, these are not sitting cement, move them around, change out your input, swap out number one, if it stinks with something else. But the point is that the sequence now will serve you for a very, very long time to come.
Jaryd Krause (23:07)
The sequence is so good. And that's what can prevent people having to come up with a new thing. And the, the freak out of like I need to get an email out this regularly.
Matt Molen (23:19)
So that's why I call it a forever series. Because let's say that you've run that for five weeks, what's going to happen? Are they going to magically Remember to come back to your website? On the sixth week? Even if they loved and opened everything on the first five? They won't? They're busy. There's stuff on Netflix to watch? I don't know. But if you sent an email on week number six, would they come? Yeah, they probably would now just replace that with week 15 and 16. With week 31 and 32. The logic still holds if you keep providing that value. So how does somebody start with this, when you start with the first five topics, that's one email per week really well. And then you just keep adding to it. And as you have time, or as you priorities, and pretty soon what you'll have is this forever series. I call it a forever series because it could go on forever.
It depending how much content you have. Yeah, you have this forever series that you've built up over time that is dusting off old content that you created a long time ago and still serving. One example I have there and then I'll shut up about the Forever series is one of my earliest clients a dear friend, she has a website that teaches people how are teachers parents to instill a love of reading in their kids? It's called everyday reading.com. And Janssen has been blogging for 15 years.
She's got content about Harry Potter that's older than the most of the people's kids that she's serving now, Harry Potter doesn't go out of style. So is it ranking? Is it bringing as much traffic as it used to? Maybe not. But on week 64 If she shares her favorite Harry Potter books and why and for a parent that's getting that in week 64 They love it. Jensen loves it. Heck, Jensen's probably forgot that she wrote that email a long time ago, years ago, she wrote it. And the traffic's coming back. You're getting more value out of that piece of content. Yeah. It's just really serve you for a long, long time. A lot of work up front, maybe. But man, once you have it, it's an asset for your business. Jaryd Krause (25:13)
This content repurposing for a content business is so damn valuable. Like if even if a site has like 200 articles, the content repurposing can last a whole year with repurposing all of that content, right? You got 200 articles? That's what four, four pieces of content you can send out a week, right? It's crazy amount.
Matt Molen (25:38)
And on top of that, don't interrupt really quick, because email math works out, what's a good open rate? Let's just say it's anywhere from 30 to 100%, would be great open rate, right? But it's 30 to 50%. And many of us have less than that. And it's just going to depend on your niche and whatever. But and what's your click through rate five to 10% would be great. Well, that means that anytime you send an email 90% of people never clicked it. What does that mean? That that's not bad. That's not evil. I'm not saying it's not worth it. My point is that you can send that content again. So that 200 pieces of content that you're talking about, you can repurpose not just once a year, you can repurpose it multiple times a year, you can come up with creative ways to drop it into roundups, you can have creative reasons to mention it again, with a slightly different twist or angle. And if I did, let's say I'm food blog, food blogger, if that recipe was clicked and made by somebody, guess what they may want to make it again, so you can reuse that content.
Jaryd Krause (26:35)
Or people may have clicked on it, they forgot about it. And year after year, after they like, I saw this one. But I didn't get to make it and they clicked on it. They couldn't actually click through and they went and made it so like with that, then people are going to be like, Wow, man, I've got so much content that I can I can have for my emails and send out a lot of emails, like you could send out one a day if if like most content site owners that have that much content can send out so many emails. So then when does it become? You said there's not really too you can't send out too many emails. But there obviously, there's a point where that you said that there is fatigue. I used to send out like an email a day, I've decreased that down a lot. And people used to say, Hey, Jaryd, you're sending out too many am emails. And I said, like, if you don't want to be on the list, you don't need to be on the list. That's fine. Right. But most people would suck it up. And they'd stay in all this because they really love the content.
And then they're going to stay in the space. So what I was basically doing is I was weeding out the people that weren't really that interested, because they're getting hounded by emails. And the people that were they stayed, and then that my perfect clients, I don't want to be sending emails to people that aren't opening them. And just sitting on the list and making my email open rates decrease because of them sending all this not open them. And wait, there's a whole science behind that. I'm sure we could talk about that as well. That and I've decreased that down just because it's not, I don't feel it as necessary now. But what like how, how much is too much? Or how little is too little? For somebody starting out? Ice. You talked about consistency, when we first started this conversation consistency is probably the most important thing I would I would presume maybe you've got your own ideology around that. But what sort of consistency should people have starting out with? That's an easy one, and then work their way up to more if it feels like they can keep that consistency going.
Matt Molen (28:22)
Generally speaking, this is a cookie cutter answer. Okay. Generally speaking, most of my clients can send two emails a week without problem. And that's where that evergreen and that seasonal thing comes into place. And one evergreen is one seasonal, do you go to one per day? Some people can? And some people? Do I have clients that have just said, heck, I'm just going to do it? Let's go for it. And they do. You can also with today's software, it's pretty easy to give people options to say, I'm going to send one per day, or do you want to get to per week? Or do you want to get one per week? That's, that's not that hard to do in today's email platforms that most people are using. So give a little bit of choice.
You don't have to go hog wild, crazy and come up with a gazillion complicated options, but maybe two choices of your super diehards, the people that should probably have restraining orders on them. Those people get everything and they want everything. And then there's perhaps the others that are a little bit more casual about it. The other part is I'm an aggressive List Builder, but I'm also an aggressive list pruner. Is that the word? Because if they don't want to be on the list, I mean, there's a cost associated with that, both from deliverability and actual dollars. So I don't necessarily want them on the list. I try to provide some reasonable options for them if it's been a while. And like you said, we could spend a lot of time just on pruning the list or hygiene, but it has been a while then off they go. So my point is start with maybe well if we're not doing anything, just do one. You mentioned some people might go crazy with this and go too far. That doesn't happen. Very often, most people I'm talking to where I'm not sending anything. So let's start with one or two a week would be fantastic.
Jaryd Krause (30:07)
Try one or two a week, start with that, and then work your way up. And you probably can't get too many a couple, you got evergreen, and you've got your consistent sequence going. So you got these two things going, then it comes time to Yes, I'm pushing people back to my content site, because I'm making money through Zowie media, Vine ad thrive, like a lot of your clients are. And then they making that they're getting people on their site and getting a bit of ad revenue.
There's also opportunity with affiliate sales and different sorts of products or drop shipping products, or whatever it is that you can sell to your email list as long as it's valuable to where those people are at in their journey. And it's going to be a product that's going to serve them How often would you suggest people to run sales campaigns to affiliate offers? Or products that to their list? And is it like, every quarter, every month, every two months? At what, twice a year? What do you feel is best, and I know it's going to be niche dependent as well? But how do you sort of gauge this like, because there's a lot of you put a lot of free content out there, you want to get rewarded for it, you want to make some sales down the line to get ROI back from this, but you don't want to be that person that's just shoving products down people's throat too often too regularly. So there's, there's going to be a happy medium, serve, serve, serve, serve, serve, and then sell. Right? A little bit of selling? How much is too much? Or how little is too little? Do you find?
Matt Molen (31:30)
You're absolutely right, it's going to have the answer in marketing is always It depends. Now, a couple of core fundamental things that I believe in number one, you should be making money if you're on those platforms that you just mentioned, media, Vine, ad thrive, zoic, whatever, you should be making money with the RPMs. If you're not, on my website, I've got a free ROI calculator where you can drop in the cost your email platform, you can drop in the what your average peanut butter rpms are. And then how much money are you making from email? Or how much is it costing you it should be a profit center, not a cost center, we hope.
Either way, it's still an investment in your future. And I would I would, I would work on that. Second, though, is if we are building a brand and building a trust, if we are solving a reader’s problem consistently over time, if we're thinking about the journey, that's where the products naturally fit, it isn't so much some sort of cadence or schedule, it's like this is the power of email is I know that I taught you about this, and I taught you about this, and you're talking about this, and you're likely wondering about this now. Well, I've got the perfect notion template for you to sell, that I can sell you that will help you get that done. I've got the perfect packing list. I've got these packing cubes that I've been telling you about. I've got a special deal with so and so. Right. So yes, it depends.
Let's say you're, you've got meal plans, if you're a food website, so maybe you don't hit them with your meal plans on the very first week. Maybe it's in the footer of your email template. And then, week four, or maybe it's a harder hit it just again, it's going to depend on the journey. Let's just be authentic and natural and not shy away from sharing those affiliate offers. I guess that would be my advice is don't shy away from it. Especially when you figure it out. legitimately from your heart of hearts. This helps you. I'm helping you.
Jaryd Krause (33:20)
Correct. It's serving. It's not it's very serving thing. One thing that I should mention people, if you're not on my email list, get on the email list. First, I don't just have just joined a newsletter thing, like you said, you have to go through a actual funnel, I would say like a free opt in, go to buying online business.com Ford has free resources. And there's heaps of great, awesome, awesome opt ins there. And you can get on the list. And you'll see that on my email. Most like many of my emails will have a PS and an email signature. And in the email signature, there's like, here's four ways that I can help you right now. And it can be edits to two free things. And then to like one of my smaller offers, and then one of my main offers, and people can click on those, and it's in most of my emails with an email signature. And I think that's a really cool thing that I picked up from a couple of other Aussies, I think it was James Schramko that started doing it here in Australia. And that's a really good way to do like you said, have it in that you can have it in the Ps of many of your emails, you can make it into an email signature.
Matt Molen (34:25)
You can you can modify that by season as well just to build on your point. So let's say that for whatever reason, you're not really a deal blogger. Okay, but in your space, like let's say you're a craft blogger. Yeah, there are no cricket is an example. They have seasonal coupon codes. And you could you could have at the bottom after your main content, so it's not distracting from the main message that you want it to share at the bottom. It could be hot deals of the of the week or whatever it may be. And you could modify that just once or twice a couple times a year. Update your signature or your footer or your template and drop those coupon codes in there, maybe you have a vanity code. That's just another example of hundreds of possibilities to use your emails to, to get that extra trickle of revenue coming in.
Jaryd Krause (35:10)
I like it. You can have multiple different email signatures. And you can just put like a code in the bottom of your email and a pop up with the signature that you actually want. You can have four or five there for a different season on one for each season. Now talking about email software's, this might be a bit of a hang up for people, what one does I need to use? Anyone will do as long as it sends as long as it helps you send emails, right? But the two that I like to use or suggest that Active Campaign that I use Convert Kit and then they're the that's who really good paid ones. And then a free one typically is Mail Chimp. What do you for and I'll put links to those in the show notes, guys, as there's some there's heaps, you can go Google your own. But what about what about yours that you suggest?
Matt Molen (35:54)
You're right. The first thing you said I think is the important part. Whatever you can get to work for you. That's the best platform for as far as I used to be on Mail Chimp. I was pulling my hair out. I was pulling my hair out to do my system. These things that I've been explaining here, it's not that they won't send some basic emails, which they will they've been around a very long time, they've got a good sender reputation, they're not going to go to junk. So you're fine using Mail Chimp. And they have is the problem is that they're so big, and it's been around so long. It feels like stuffs been bolted on. This is me talking.
Jaryd Krause (36:27)
I think they're a good starting point. I did too, and then move on to something bit more.
Matt Molen (36:32)
And then, but I'm a big believer in Convert Kit. I know that active campaign is really good, too. There's a lot of great programs out there. I mean, you people can hit me up if they have a specific question about a platform. I've played with almost all of them. But really, it's it comes down to your some of it comes down to your personal preference. I've just made my system work really, really well on Convert Kit.
Jaryd Krause (36:56)
And our system on Active Campaign is phenomenal. As you know, you've seen it, you see us that just the structure and the automations. And I mean, Convert Kit is very similar. But guys have a look at those two, if you want a free one, check out Mail Chimp, we'll just put links in the description. Matt, you have just dropped some absolute bombs today. It's been so valuable. Thank you so much for coming on. People are going to be hungry to check out what you are doing. So please, please, please, how can we contact you?
Matt Molen (37:26)
Well, thanks so much for having me. I love talking about this. My business is called Email Crush and so emailcrush.com is probably the easiest way to find me, and I'm not really big on social. So just find me on the website and email me strangely enough. And I'll do my best to help a lot of guys get on his email list.
Jaryd Krause (37:46)
Check out Email Crush, we'll be links in the show notes. Again, thank you so much, Matt. Anybody that is listening. Thank you for listening. If you own a content site, take some inspiration from this and start a list please for your own site. If you know somebody else who has an online business, specifically a content site and they don't have an email list, make sure you share this podcast episode with them. There's so many so many little valuable things that Matt shared within this that can get people started without having too hung up and having too big of roadblocks in the way. If you have a content site with content on it. You can get this done. Share this podcast episode with somebody.
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